The Greatest Trainer That Ever Lived
Remembering The Guru:
Vince Gironda The Greatest Trainer That Ever Lived
Guest Post By Ron Kosloff N/C of NSP Research Nutrition
Part 1:
Close family members apart, when was the last time you witnessed grown men weeping at the loss of a comrade? Sure it happens, of course, but when the late great Vince Gironda died, the outpouring of emotion was felt from coast to coast and beyond.
I’ll never forget the day of October 20th, 1997. I was at my desk when Ray Raridon, owner of NSP West in Los Angeles called me at three p.m. and asked if I was sitting down. After I said yes, he conveyed to me the sad news that Vince Gironda had passed away. We spoke for a short time, both extremely very sad and extremely stunned. After I hung up the phone I was in sort of a mental daze as my 25-year association with Vince literally flashed before my eyes. I remembered all the good times and the bad times. As I sat there for about a half-hour I began crying profusely. I’m a grown man, but this news did affect me very, very much. I called my friend Chris Aragona. Chris is a personal trainer and former owner of a health-food store in the Long Island section of New York. We’ve been friends and business associates for about 20 years.
Chris teaches Vince’s method’s as I do. We talked at length about Vince, and he too reminisced. I mentioned that I had seen Vince about a month before he closed his gym, and to my way of thinking – just a personal opinion – Vince Gironda probably died of a broken heart simply because his gym was his whole life. To my knowledge, he never did anything else. From the time he was a young man until he really got into the gym business – I think it was 1946 – he had worked or been in the fitness business most of his life. So you can see what a dramatic effect the gym closing must have had on him. Bodybuilding meant more to him than anything. When he would train someone who became successful, this was his personal reward. Chris agreed with me that there was a lot of heart and honesty in Vince. As long as I can remember, Chris has advocated Vince’s methods. He is a personal trainer. I believe he has done that exclusively since he got out of the health-food business. On many occasions Chris and I have shared stories about our personal training experiences and one point we always agree on is that anyone who follows Vince’s methods is sure to have great results. I personally have never failed if my student follows Vince’s principles. (Vince actually wrote a book on his training principles. It is titled, “The Wild Physique.”) After Chris and I spoke, I put the office recorder on and reminisced for about two hours.
I recalled our first meeting.
I had a consultation with Vince, and while we were talking, he excused himself, got up, took some money out of the register, gave it to a member, and promptly threw him out of the gym for doing situps and leg raises. I was shocked, of course, but when I found out Vince’s reasoning I understood. Situps and leg raises don’t reduce the size of your stomach, as Vince discovered about 40 years ago, so the student was just wasting his time. He really wasn’t listening. Vince had previously told the student not to do them because he was personally training the guy. Along with everything Vince taught me, I realized then that he was probably far ahead of his time. In retrospect, I believe most people didn’t even know what he was talking about. I learned that 95 percent of what Vince told me simply worked. Chris made the same discovery. When I train people, they quickly realize just how great his simple, intelligent methods are.
Dr. Clifford Ameduri called Vince a gifted person and a genius. When I spoke with the doctor years ago, we both marveled at the fact that Vince was the only man we had ever seen who could point to every muscle in the human body, name it, plus tell you how it functions. Now that’s brilliant! We were also awed by Vince’s knowledge of nutrition. After 25 years, people are discovering the truth about this “complex carbohydrate b.s” as I call it. Vince would yell in the gym, “But they’re inferior proteins, just lots of sugar, you jerks!” He was always outspoken and controversial, the type of man who built this country. True individuals like him are now a dying breed.
As a kid I would go to all the contests. Vince would turn out champions the way a baker turns out cookies. The MC would always say, “representing Vince’s Gym, from North Hollywood, California”… introducing Larry Scott, Don Howorth, Bill McArdle and a host of others. I seriously doubt that Larry would have been a success if Vince hadn’t taken him under his wing, since Larry wasn’t that genetically blessed. To me a truly beautiful physique combines shape, symmetry and cuts. I knew Gironda was onto something because he assessed his type of physique. I also knew that eventually I would go to him. But first I ordered all his courses. When I read them, I said, “This man is brilliant!”
The first time he trained me, he told me I was the only guy who ever did the precise movements the correct way. That acknowledgement really, really felt good. When Vince trained me, I stayed in California for six weeks, renting a motel room just down the block from the gym. I trained very hard and made more progress in that six weeks than I had in an entire two-year training period prior to that time. When I came back from California to the YMCA gym where I regularly worked out, people were in disbelief at how good I looked after such a short time. I was stunned myself that I was looking 90 percent better doing 90 percent less. But I trained with great intensity! Vince first applied that word in bodybuilding, not Mike Mentzer as many believe.
I continued the rest of the evening thinking back fondly on the times that I was fortunate enough to have spent with Vince. I finally realized all the lessons I had learned from him, how he had a tremendous effect in turning my life around and pointing me in the right direction. I am now a nutritional consultant. Because of him I got my degree. I work at the Grosse Pointe Alternative Health Care Clinic outside of Detroit. I also own NSP East and Research Nutrition. I’m on staff and I do all their diet consultations.
I use the principles Vince taught me…
regarding liver tablets, glandulars and amino acids to keep your endocrine system strong and your immune level high. He told me to eat a high-protein meal after training as the muscles need the amino acids to grow and, most important, to recuperate. I see that some college just proved him right again. As soon as you’re done with strenuous, physical exercise, eat a good protein meal because the branched-chain amino acids will quickly repair, nourish and return the muscle cell to its former strength and more, and it will get bigger. They just proved that. Just goes to show you how brilliant the guy was.
He taught me about hydrochloric acid and that the amount of food you digest is the critical factor, not how much you eat. He would always stress these concepts to me. Now I’m helping other people and I realize it was Vince who taught me all this. Take liver tablets for example. Right now in bodybuilding, they’re out of style because bodybulding is like America, a fad country where things are in style, out of style, in style, out of style. Whether we like to admit it or not, we are all controlled by Madison Avenue and big advertising from what we eat to what we drink and what we smoke. The whey-protein powders and MET-Rx are in fashion today. Amino acids, glandulars, hydrochloric acid and digestive enzymes are out.
I am a severe hypoglycemic, and Vince taught me that I had to control my hypoglycemia. Every three hours I eat, and I keep my diet low in carbohydrates. I use liver tablets because there is no finer blood builder than liver. Its B12 and amino-acid content nourish the liver. It contains a substance called P450, which he taught me detoxifies the liver of all poisons, toxins, drugs and alcohol. Every time I have a physical, my doctor marvels at the function of my liver. So, of course, every three hours I take my liver tablets.
Vince taught me the importance of chromium picolinate and minerals to regulate my pancreatic functions and insulin secretions. I guess what I’m doing here is paying homage to him. Maybe I never realized before what a controlling factor this man was in my life. He taught me the importance of eggs, and what a powerful, powerful substance eggs are. He showed me how important eggs are to bodybuilding and the very best hormone precursors.
My routine for the last 25 years has not varied. When I get up, my high fat jump-starter is four or five eggs, depending on how hungry I am. Eggs don’t cause heart attacks. Some people take the yolk from the egg and eat just the egg white, but that’s wrong. Eggs are whole food, the greatest food you can eat. It closely matches the human anatomy. Eggs are the finest protein, along with liver and raw milk. That’s been proven over and over. They have the highest PER (protein efficiency ratio) rating.
Sugars and starches cause heart attacks. The average American diet includes pancakes, ice cream, cookies, pies, cakes, candies, pretzels, doughnuts, pizzas, slurpies, Pop Tarts, Sugar Frosted Flakes, bologna sandwiches, bagels and pastas. White-flour bagels and pastas are garbage! Then you have all the useless fast foods! But the egg is a perfect food. You see, God is the greatest chemist in the world. He created the egg. A drug company created the medical doctor, and all medical doctors do is write prescriptions. Nothing more, nothing less. They tell you what is wrong with you and then write a prescription for a dangerous synthetic drug!
If you separate the white and yolk of the egg, you get an isolated protein. Any time you separate the white and the yolk of an egg, you get an isolated protein. Any time you separate protein from fat you’re left with an incomplete food. The manufacturers of protein powders tell you to mix them with juice or water. Well, let me tell you, folks – you can’t digest protein without fat. Vince taught me that and he was right. When you swallow an egg white, it goes into your stomach and your stomach says, “Hey, where’s the fat?” The white, which is protein, has no vehicle for conversion, so it’s converted to sugar.
The same thing happens when you use protein powder. They say to mix with juice or water because they’re made of ionized whey protein, which is the skim of cottage cheese. It’s not biologically superior to eggs, liver and milk. These powders make you feel good because they’re carbohydrated sugar. Sure you’re going to put on weight, but it’s not going to be muscle weight.
You cannot digest protein without fat…
and it must be digested to be converted to amino acids. Once it’s digested it goes through the liver and is converted to amino acids. If it’s not digested the liver can’t do its job. If eggs or fat cause heart attacks, I want someone to tell me how my grandmother and grandfather, who were both muscular people with beautiful skin, lived on a farm, consumed raw milk, natural eggs pork sausage and butter (my grandfather died two months shy of his 98th birthday, and my grandmother died when she was 101.
An Indian who worked for my grandfather for food and shelter would eat only meat. We kids on the farm used to give pears, peaches and apples, and he’d say, “Oh, you kids crazy!” He wanted meat. Grandma and Grandma would butcher a hog or a steer and put it in the cellar (the cellar was like a fridge back then), and he would go down into the cellar and eat meat. Meat was all he would eat, and I mean the whole animal. So how did this man live to be 113 on a high-fat, high-protein diet? I’d like a medical doctor or so-called dietician to explain that. Vince was right again!
I am now realizing how I carried these ideas of Vince’s through my life and taught them to other people. They have been a blessing for me. When I do consultations I put people on glandulars. I know some say glandulars and liver are not good food, but I tell you folks, that’s where the energy is. The first thing a carnivore eats when it kills another animal is its glands and intestines.
I remember one time while I was working at General Motors, they took a blood test and the color of my blood was far superior to their color chart. The nurse asked me, “How do you do that?” and I said, “I take a lot of liver tablets.” Being a medical nurse, she said, “Sure, sure, sure,” and looked at me as if I was crazy. Unfortunately we are putting our lives in the hands of these people I recommend two good books about the medical profession: Silent Violence-Silent Death and The Drug Lords. They’ll scare the hell out of you!
Vince taught me about nutrition, hydrochloric acid and eggs, and folks, they just plain work. The man was so far ahead of his time it was almost a joke. Speaking of jokes, he was a real comedian and his jokes in the gym kept everyone loose.
Bob Kennedy of Muscle Mag International was a good friend of Vince, and Vince used to write a regular column for his magazine. After Vince died, I called Bob and said, Bob, I’ve known Vince for 25 years, and I’d like to continue his column because I know his methods backward and frontward.” Bob replied, “Ron I would love to have you continue his column, but you know what?” I was getting complaints that Vince was too old. People complained, “Who wants to listen to what he has to say?” Well, that struck a nerve, and I would like to address those folks who felt that way.
In America, today, we have one horrible agenda that we practice. Madison Avenue has created the youth culture. It wants to sell things to young people with money. It wants to ignore older people, and of course, this is our culture… money. If you’re over 50, even sometimes over 40, no one wants to listen to you any more. It’s really a crime. Look at how the American Plains Indians treated their elders. They treated them with dignity and respect. Nobody wanted to listen to Vince because he was old, but nobody stopped to think that what Vince had was wisdom, knowledge and experience. If you go to any other country in the world and you are over 50, by God, you’re put up on a pedestal. People come to you for advice and knowledge, and you’re revered. But not in America. Vince was a tragic example of this shameful phenomenon. He went out of style.
Whenever an older, wise, intelligent person offers advice, you should listen to his wisdom.
He’s only trying to save you a lot of heartache and grief. Certainly Vince Gironda did this for me. Take Heed. What happened to Vince should not have happened to him. He was a victim pure and simple of our culture. I was disappointed, Chris Aragona was disappointed, but that’s the way it is. For years, I’ve been saying that in the future, Vincent Van Gogh will have nothing on Vince Gironda because one day Vince Gironda will be the Vincent Van Gogh of bodybuilding.
In another 15 years, you’ll be reading what Vince had to say. Everything he said 50 years ago is now coming true. Don’t overtrain. Work out like a sprinter, not a long distance runner. Bodybuilding is 85 percent nutrition. Always use muscle confusion. Don’t do situps and leg raises because they make your stomach bigger, not smaller, and they curtail lean muscle gains because your hormone level drops. He said all this years ago after going through trial and error. He discovered it was true. Slowly, but surely his methods have been proven, and they have stood the test of time. Unfortunately some authority has begun to take credit, and you see a lot of copycats who are stealing from Vince, and that’s a fact. You know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Two or three years ago some idiot wrote to a magazine and asked, ‘If Vince Gironda was so great, how come he never won a major contest?” Well the simple fact is that back in his day there was a different style to bodybuilding. Either you looked like John Grimek – bulky and smooth – or you weren’t a bodybuilder. Now, the authorities might not want to recognize this fact, but Vince Gironda is the father of modern bodybuilding. He created definition. Hell, in the 40′s he was ripped to shreds. He never placed higher than second or third in a contest. They looked at him and said: “What is this? Who is this? What kind of physique is this?” Some winced at his incredible muscularity.
Nowadays, if you’re not defined and shapely, you might as well just go on home. Again we should all pay homage to Vince. He invented definition. He invented the beautiful physique, the shapely physique. DO you see what I’m saying? The guy who asked that stupid question really doesn’t know much about history. He’s probably a drug user anyway.
Of course, most of the physiques now are drug physiques…
and they don’t have any real relation to natural bodybuilding. Vince used to call bodybuilding contests “pharmaceutical conventions” whenever someone would ask why he didn’t attend them any more. He was right. You could never create that kind of physique naturally. Some of these guys I see onstage look to me like Gorgo. Vince used to call a lot of Mr. Olympia competitors Gorgos and freaks, and that’s what they are. They are sacrificing their health. Vince was the first one to state that some bodybuilder was going to die on stage, and it’s happened more than once.
Vince created the anti-drug movement in bodybuilding. He hated drugs with a passion. Drugs came into the picture in 1963, and they completely defeated natural bodybuilding. All you had to do was pump some Deca-Durabolin in and you got a physique. I’ve seen guys at the local hard-core gym use drugs and in 30 days, my God, you couldn’t believe what they turned into, gaining 10 to 15 pounds overnight.
For ten years, I owned the Powerhouse Gym in Center Line, Michigan with my partner Paul Dudgeon. We had a member who was a top area bodybuilder and a drug user and he used to belittle Vince’s methods. He said that on Vince’s system you didn’t do enough and you didn’t do weightlifting exercises. I told him one time that if they ever took his steroids away from him, he would just be an ordinary Joe, and his so-called wonder method that he got out of the magazines wouldn’t work any more.
As events came to pass, being on drugs for so long began to affect his marriage. His wife said, “Look, it’s the drugs or me.” He quit the steroids because he didn’t want to lose his family. Everyone around the gym started to notice he was shrinking like a prune. One day to my surprise he came to me and said, “I use to think you were a real screwball and your methods were really goofy, but now I realize what you said was true. My methods don’t work anymore. I was overtraining just like you said.” This guy today is a natural bodybuilder, he’s still married, and he’s got a heck of a physique. When I see him at the gym we talk a lot. I still do my training at Powerhouse in Center Line, so if you want to get a hold of me, you can call there. The number is 810-755-5330.
I’m training a young fellow at the gym who’s been working out for a couple of years now. He wasn’t getting anywhere because he was overtraining and he didn’t have any knowledge of nutrition. He was eating a high carbohydrate diet, which is ridiculous because carbohydrates are just sugar. I tell people not to believe all this crap about carbohydrates building muscle tissue. Muscle tissue is not made of sugar. It’s made of protein. I told the lad I would improve his physique in about three months 15 to 20 percent.
I stress very clearly that Vince was a bodybuilder and a bodybuilding trainer, not a weightlifter or weightlifting trainer. He taught isolation exercises for the muscles, not group exercises for the muscles. For example, you do a strict bicep curl, no cheating, with a 25-pound dumbbell and isolate the muscle, so that only the bicep does the work. Don’t use 60 pounds and jerk, tug, pull and swing the weight. You ultimately must decide if you want to be a bodybuilder or a weightlifter.
I love to intimidate big cheaters by asking them if they can do 8 sets of 8 reps with a 25-pound dumbbell for the biceps Vince’s way. First they laugh at me. Then they proceed to make big fools of themselves when they can’t even do 2 sets and I yell at them, “You’ve got 6 more sets to go!” There is a winner of many titles at Powerhouse Gym who calls Vince’s methods too hard. I want somebody to hand me a violin so that I can play him a tune. He would be 10 to 15 percent smaller using Vince’s methods, but you have to sacrifice something to get something. Ultimately, he will look a thousand times better in shape, definition and symmetry, and that’s what we really want, isn’t it?
Look at the way Frank Zane looked – and he wasn’t a big man. He just happened to have a beautiful, beautiful physique. When it comes to strength there are two types; group strength and individual muscle strength. A bodybuilder cannot work out like a weightlifter and a weightlifter cannot work out like a bodybuilder. Vince would stress that to people. While training in Vince’s Gym over the years, I saw him make fools of many people because they couldn’t work out the way a bodybuilder should. They couldn’t do it. Ultimately that failure was a blow to their egos. People are always asking me and my students, “How much can you lift?” We glare at them and shoot back, as Vince did: “We are not weightlifters. We are bodybuilders.”
My young friend started on Vince’s routine and a superb nutrition program that I laid out for him. Three months later he is happy as a lark. His buddies all tell him how good he looks. He’s done learning now. I’ve taught him everything that Vince taught me. He’s on his own and he’s only going to get better. He came to me in the first place because someone told him I trained Ron Love for the 1988 Junior America. He was trying to get cut and I put him on Vince’s meat an egg diet with cream and protein and, or course, all the supplements. Ron won hands down. Bodybuilders all over America were calling to ask how he did it. Ron said he would like to give me a kiss, but he couldn’t because I was a guy!
So this young man came to me for help. He had weak upper biceps, and he asked me how to develop them – not the middle biceps, but the upper biceps, by the deltoid. I’ve asked probably 50 people, including Mr. America’s, Mr. Universes, and many other supposedly knowledgeable people, but they couldn’t help. I always tell people that the worst person to ask for advice is the biggest guy in the gym with the best physique.
All he can tell you is how to overtrain, and he won’t tell you he is taking steroids.
To help the young man increase his upper biceps I showed him Vince’s drag curl, and in about six weeks he was showing fullness in his upper biceps. Most of your Mr. America’s and Mr. Olympia’s don’t have the slightest clue how to bring that muscle out. When I ask them about it, they only give me stupid answers. Vince was the only guy that knew how to isolate and work that muscle.
When I told this young guy about liver tablets and fats and proteins, he said, “My doctor told me I should eat carbohydrates and remove fats from my diet.” I asked him, “Young man, do you know what substance manufactures every hormone in the human body? It’s called cholesterol, and if you have a low natural fat intake you’ll have low cholesterol – that’s HDL – and you won’t be able to gain size. That’s why I’m going to get you on glandulars and liver tablets, amino acids, and mil-and-egg protein.” The guy has since done fabulously. Medical doctors don’t know anything about nutrition. As I told you, they’re prescription-writers.
Let’s look at the book, Protein Power. The guy who wrote that book copied from Vince. They all do. In his book he lists five tribes that exist on a high-fat, high-protein diet. These people are perfectly healthy. If they don’t starve, they lead long lives. Number one is the Eskimo. He eats fat, blubber, protein, fish, heart, liver, kidney and spleen. Eskimos never eat any vegetables, and lo and behold, they are slim people. Number two are the Rocky Mountain men. They ate what they killed – there are no fruits and vegetables in the Rocky Mountains. Third is the Plains Indian. His whole life was the buffalo. It was his food, his weapon, his clothing, his shelter. That’s why the white man killed the buffalo – to starve the Indian. Indians didn’t eat corn until we put them on reservations. Indians were very muscular warriors. The Union shoulders called them the finest light cavalry in the world. Then consider the Bolare of South America and the Masai of Africa. For the Masai, cattle were a prized possession. They were basically meat eaters and protein eaters. The people of all these tribes were highly sexed because they had high natural hormone levels. Moreover, they all had cholesterol levels of three to five hundred with no arterial sclerosis or heart attacks whatsoever.
The medical profession tells you what it wants to tell you. It creates a drug after your bad diet has caused a problem. All you have to do is go to the library and get a medical dictionary – Tabor’s 16th edition, page 1909. I’ll tell you in essence what it says. When you ingest an excess amount of carbohydrates (sugar), it is converted by the liver to triglycerides and diglycerides, which are a sticky form of fat that the liver pushes into the bloodstream. Your LDL level goes up. Your VDL level goes up. Your triglyceride and diglyceride levels go up. You have a heart attack. What you want to do is keep your HDL level very high, and you do that by eating fats and proteins like the American Plains Indian. So you see, medical doctors are wrong again. They usually are. They don’t know how to prevent diseases. They just write prescriptions for the ones you have.
If you want to read a good book, get Not By Bread Alone. It’s out of print, so you’ll have to look in the public library. It was one of Vince’s bibles. The author was a man named Stephenson, who in the middle to late 1800′s lived with the Eskimos for 20 years and ate exactly what the Eskimos ate. When he returned to Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City, they couldn’t find anything wrong with him. He was normal and he was healthy. See what I’m saying? The real culprit in disease is processed and refined foods.
The reason Americans are getting so sick is that they’re eating so many carbohydrates.
In your body, carbohydrates create a condition called alkalosis. All protein foods are digested in an acid base, all non protein foods are digested in an alkaline based. The balance of the human body should be an acid base, so if you create an alkaline state, you cannot digest your food. If you stuck your finger down your throat into your stomach you should burn the end of it because the stomach should be full of hydrochloric acid. Once you eat a high-carbohydrate diet, your body says, “Hey, why should I bother to manufacture hydrochloric acid?” The word protein means “most important.” Hippoctates named it 2,500 years ago. So how to you create an acid state? As you get older you’re going to have to use a little apple cider vinegar, lemon juice or hydrochloric acid tablets. When you’re younger, just eat good protein food, take a B-Complex vitamin and zinc because they work with your stomach and create hydrochloric acid. You always want to keep those levels high.
Vince taught me the importance of hydrochloric acid because it digests protein. Regardless of how much food you eat, the important factor is what you digest, assimilate and absorb. That’s the key. Vince said that 85 percent of bodybuilding is nutrition.
Hippocrates laid down ten rules 2,500 years ago that the medical profession has ignored because what he said doesn’t make money and, as we know, the medical profession is all about making money and lots of it. In the USA, 1.4 trillion dollars a year is spent on health care. Health care, folks, is taking care of sick people, and as I said, there is no such thing as diseases. Nutritional deficiencies cause most medical problems. Americans are very sick people – the sickest in the world – and 45 percent of our people are obese, all from eating refined carbohydrates!
Here are the ten rules of Hippocrates:
The natural way is the only way
Treat the cause of an illness, not the symptoms
Throw away your drugs and heal the people with food
Look to the spine for illnesses (Hippocrates was a chiropractor, by the way)
Natural food can prevent diseases
Do no harm to your patients
The word protein means most important
Do not perform unnecessary surgery for money
A healthy colon is essential
Do not administer dangerous and harmful drugs
These rules are very, very important. Most doctors take the Hippocratic Oath. That’s where it came from.
Vince taught me all these truths. Now I’m teaching people, and they’re getting results, just as I did.
When I started to train the young man, he asked me who Vince Gironda had trained. I told him, “Only practically every top bodybuilder in the world.” They would come to him, but unfortunately none of them ever gave him any credit. Most people don’t know that Frank Zane was a key-club member at Vince’s Gym. He had a key to the gym and would go in at night anytime to train. Arnold Schwarzennegger was sent to Vince Gironda for two years.
Here’s an interesting story you might get a chuckle out of concerning Arnold.
Everybody assumes that when he came to America he trained under the trainer of champions, Joe Weider. Nothing could be further from the truth. Weider just promoted Arnold and made a lot of money. Actually they both promoted each other and made a lot of money. Arnold’s German industrial sponsor sent him to Vince. Of course, Arnold had a pretty big ego, although he was not that good when he started, being rather on the fat, fleshy side. He walked into Vince’s Gym (John Balik, the editor of IRONMAN can substantiate this story as he was standing right there) and said, “I’m Arnold Schwarzennegger from Austria and I’m Mr. So and So.” Vince looked up at him through his granny glasses and responded, “You’re nothing but a fat you-know-what. For two years, Arnold spent time at Vince’s Gym Then, after Joe Weider signed him, he went on to become a movie star and multi-millionaire. Years later, Arnold told Balik that was the best thing that ever happened to him because he thought he was king of the world and Vince brought him right down, shattered his ego. That about sums up Vince and says a lot for Arnold.
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I’ve got a lot more to tell in part 2. If you want part 2 leave a comment below and tell me what you find interesting about Vince.
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Strength Training
September 7, 2010
4:18 am
Man this is amazing stuff, I love the Idea about no ego with Schwarzennegger, and the principals about requiring fats to absorb protein, It had never even crossed my mind but it makes total sense when you said it. and the point about a high carb diet and the consequences of it, and how even now every one tells you that a high protein diet is bad for you (I’m a personal trainer and thats what they taught me) This is a brilliant article, I would love to read more and learn more, did vince write any books before he died and if so where can I get my hands on them? I want to learn more about his life and his training principals, where can I get them from?
Loved the article and would love to read part 2
Regards
Lachlan
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leanhybr Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 4:52 am
Great questions Lachlan, I’ll look into it and let you know what I find out. Mike
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Mark Reply:
September 12th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Go here for more info. on Vince:
http://vincegironda-nsp.com/training.aspx
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leanhybr Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 5:19 am
Thanks Mark. Here’s another link:
http://www.madscientistmuscles.com
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September 7, 2010
4:27 am
Great story. I love the history. It is all true. I can’t wait for the next installment!!!
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September 7, 2010
4:30 am
I trained with Vince for a short while in his N. Hollywood gym on Ventura Blvd. What you said about his approach to diet is true. He had me eating pure protein (less than 40 grams of carbs per day) plus raw eggs and heavy cream drinks in between meals. I had one meal of carbs (usually spaghetti) once a week.
My training program was mostly 6 x 6, not the 8 x 8 you mentioned in your artice.
I would love to read Part 2. Please email it to me. Thanks!
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leanhybr Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 4:53 am
That is so cool John, could you please share with us how that diet worked out for you? – MIKE
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Bobby Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Was this training of 6X6, a increase of weight each set for 6 reps or same weight for 6 set of 6 reps?
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September 7, 2010
4:35 am
really amazing stuff todays bodybuilding is a joke and count on one thing STEROIDS, Vinc girondas methods are the best and now that i know why im start useing his methods thanks for posting this up Elliot it really opened up my eyes
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September 7, 2010
4:46 am
I loved every bit of this article. I agree totally. America is killing the World.
Btw, how would you suggest consuming Protein powder?
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September 7, 2010
4:52 am
Everyonr thinks you have to take steriods to look good. As vince said their is a difference between weight lifting and bodybuilding. Wisdom goes a long way and america needs to get back to its roots when elders were listened to. Their not listened to anymore and you can see the rat hole of america we are living in now.
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September 7, 2010
4:57 am
My favorite part might be the 10 rules of Hippocrates. I think most of those rules are broken in modern health care. -MIKE
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Denis Reply:
June 29th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Thanks for this enlightening article, to say the least. Would you suggest to get the protein powder with fat of anykind? DENIS
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September 7, 2010
5:07 am
I think I’ve made all the mistakes over the years and it’s only now that I’ve learnt that everything is about proper nutrition.
And I have only just realised that after years on a low fat diet, I’ve totally stuffed up my hormones and I’m now on my way back.
You just have to look at Vince and you have to say, the guy must be on to something.
I never want to compete as a bodybuilder, I just want to stay in shape and live an active lifestyle, bring on part 2.
Great article.
Thanks
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September 7, 2010
6:29 am
what a great article!!! bodybuilding is truly an artform.. as a scientist and a bodybuilder i know this for a fact that the only way to achieve a physique is nutrition.. what you put in is what shows outside.. you dont need high levels of carbs infact too much carbs can be counteractive due to insulin spikes!! and is stored as fat straight away if the body doesnt need it. you wanna keep your insulin levels steady.. low carbs high protien and high fat(good fat that is)…FAT AND PROTIEN work hand to hand and short and intense training sessions no more than 3-4 times a week around 45min.. after about an hour the body starts releasing catabolic hormones, so you wanna keep your sessions short and sweet for the maximum release of testosterone and GH!! which is a window of opportunity for maximum nutrient transport and growth, with a day break in between to recover fully before you go in the gym and blast those muslces again!! and i personally have never done any cardio sessions unlesss needed and still am 90kgs with 9-11% body fat… dunno about the rest but i was born a carnivore…
this article is a must read for everyone involved in the game…
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September 7, 2010
6:42 am
You are absolutely correct in everything!
We’ve been teaching the high protein-high fat-diet for years now. Complex carbs are sugar and in fact are more dangerous to the human body than simple sugars. The reason why is the sugar is released over a longer period of time.
Some may so what, thats good. Well in fact that is a major reason we have a diabetes epidemic and it is all self-induce from following incorrect advice on this 60-yr. carbohydrate eating experiment.
When you body takes in the carbs/sugars and the liver can’t process it all then pancreas kicks in. If it didn’t you’d go into a coma and then probably die from all the sugar in the blood stream. The pancreas then produces insulin which goes out and traps the sugar and deposits it into your fat stores. it does this to save your life. The big problem is the pancreas is only made to produce insulin 2 maybe 3 times a day. After that it’s depleted and needs to rest.
Well if you’re following these “gurus” who tell you to eat 4 or 5 times a day and you’re eating carbs at each meal you will eventually blow out your pancreas. Don’t do.
Remember this. Each 5 grams of carbs is 1 teaspoon of sugar. We unknowingly consume 80 – 100 teaspoons of sugar a day. Go fill a container and see how much that is.
Everything I have said comes from a medical textbook on physiology and biochemistry. I could go on for hours but I won’t its not my forum.
Keep up the great work.
PS What do they feed a cow or pig to get fat for slaughter? Why grain of course. The same thing they tell you is good for you. lol
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September 7, 2010
6:43 am
I enjoyed reading the personal stories and about the importance of protien.
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September 7, 2010
8:11 am
A brilliant article and well written. I am now going to change my diet and eating habits after reading this, which will include alot more whole eggs and liver tablets.
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September 7, 2010
8:54 am
Great article!! I think the Weston Price Foundation would agree with many of your principles.
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September 7, 2010
8:57 am
This stuff is great. It goes right to the heart of the fact that the naturalist lifestyle is best.
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September 7, 2010
9:28 am
Elliot, again… you’re the man… I had no idea about those things. My nutrition has been nothing around what he said. I’ll look for books that he wrote.. do you know of any other authors that wrote around his principles? mainly nutrition wise, but also the training principles. I would love to get my hand on that literature. I would love to be able to come up with a meal plan for myself based on his principles. Please help
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September 7, 2010
11:50 am
Great Article!!! I never gave much thought to food, what to eat and what to avoid.. I do eat 5 to 6 times a day. but I was eating fruit inbetween my breakfast, lunch and dinner in.
Am I doing this wrong ?
can’t wait for part 2
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September 7, 2010
11:55 am
Did Vince and Arthur Jones ever interact?
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September 7, 2010
11:55 am
In one single word: Natural.
I think this article would be the Manifesto of Natural Body-Building;)
I like so much also Hippocrates’s rules
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September 7, 2010
11:59 am
Great article: I would love to see some of his training routines for naturals. Esp. some muscle building routines, were they total body routines done every other day???
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September 7, 2010
12:01 pm
Very interesting. I would love to read more of Vince’s stuff. I will have to see what I can find online or visit the library when I get back to the US.
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September 7, 2010
12:09 pm
Thanks for the great article and a sprint down memory lane about Vince G. I am 60 years old and have been working out for over 45 years using many of the nutritional “rules” of Vince’s…..I am working out differently these last 3 years incorporating more total body movements and less isolation exercises…..Still creating muscle confusion and staying lean….What glandular supplements do you recommend today with so much “junk” out there…..I appreciate your time and honesty……….
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September 7, 2010
12:16 pm
Guys,
Awesome post! Respect for wisdom and age is something I’ve always had. Really great post!
Chris
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September 7, 2010
12:16 pm
Great article, would love to learn more about his methods
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September 7, 2010
12:20 pm
Very interesting read I have been reading and researching for a few years and already know about Vince and have been taking the liver tablets for about a year and notice a very big difference in energy and stamina. They will be a staple in my diet forever. I do very well on eggs meat and cream etc as my metabolic type is a protein type which is great, thank you for the information to confirm what I already read
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September 7, 2010
12:29 pm
Great article. I am going to be looking for the book by Stephenson. I have been telling people things like this and no one seems to get it unless the are told by a money hungry doctor. I am a big anti-drug person and this article was great info.
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September 7, 2010
12:38 pm
Mike – what liver pills and Hcl do you recommend? and at what dose?
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September 7, 2010
1:45 pm
i remember starting bodybuilding as a kid in the 80.s when liver tablets and kelp and alfalfa were all the rage with milk and egg protein but the industry just got way too greedy and ahead of itself, loving vince’s teachings and this article
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September 7, 2010
2:16 pm
Wow. After eating tons of protein for years, lately, I’ve been gravitating more towards Mentzer and Ferrugia’s views about more carbs-now I’m totally confused! Need more info please, can’t wait for part 2!
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September 7, 2010
2:16 pm
thank s for all the knowledge you share with us…looking forward for part 2
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September 7, 2010
2:59 pm
I really enjoyed reading your stories about Vince. He sounds like an amazing guy. I also learned quite a bit and look forward to Part 2. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
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September 7, 2010
3:38 pm
I really like this post. Some of it is new to me. It gave me something to think about. In regards to the diet, I find with myself eating 5 times a day does not work for me energy wise and is not practical with my schedule, so I have adopted the Warrior Diet as a way of eating. Does the Warrior Diet conflict with Vince’s nutritional views? Also, I thought you guys (Mike and Elliot) where somewhat against isolation exercises, saying they are a waste of time as compared to the big three (or four); squats, deadlifts, and benching, (and military presses). I thought your view was that “bodybuilders” where all show and no go and that there way of training was inferior? What is the deal? Isn’t this why you came up with LHM? Looking forward to part 2 and your answers to these questions.
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September 7, 2010
3:40 pm
I love hearing what the old dudes have to say to me its the most valuable these guys didn’t have money to motivate there advice so you know its real..right after i read this i downed to raw eggs with hot sauce and tumeric..more,more,more, i want more info on this guy im not a body builder but i can definitely implement alot these practices.
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September 7, 2010
4:03 pm
Excellent article, highly educational and informative. Please post Part 2 ASAP!! Thank you.
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September 7, 2010
5:19 pm
I am only 21 years old, but can’t stand modern bodybuilding. It is all pharmaceutical. Nothing natural about it anymore. I read in a book that I own that Vince actually lost a bodybuilding competition because he was too muscular. I admire the physiques of the “old-timers”. Vince Gironda, Frank Zane, Casey Viator, and others that were more about aesthetics and not freakishly huge mass monsters. After reading that Vince Gironda was a big advocate of liver tablets about 2 months ago, I started taking them and I have noticed a difference in my energy and stamina. Also, I unknowingly followed a lot of his nutrition practices. I eat a lot of beef and chicken and virtually no carbs. I do drink protein shakes, but I use whole milk, half and half, or heavy whipping cream, depending on how much energy I want or need. Thanks for the info and can’t wait to read part 2.
Mitchel Yorks
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September 7, 2010
5:24 pm
Vince was way ahead of his time. Many principles that we think are new have been thought of long before. Vince’s diet method was similar too today’s carb cycling approach and he was against jogging/running and for sprinting, weight training, and “weighted cardio/metabolic conditioning” style workouts long before they became the cool thing to do.
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September 7, 2010
5:30 pm
Vince was a real athlete in the great sport of body building! To look so great naturally is such a dream for most of us and worth working for naturally. I know he will be missed, but at least his knowledge of body building can be shared by us all. I would have loved to have meet Vince, he seemed to be quite a character.
Thanks for the article,
Brian Wolfe
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Ronald Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
I read most of article and browesed somoe,I saved it in my file so I can read it at my leisure, however after trying many methods programs and much inforrect information it is finally goo to see today that people are starting to respect and know that methods of training nutrition and supplementation are better when you stic to the basics. I look forward to recieving information from your site. Since I started usinging some of yur techniques and suggestions I hav seen much progress I will read this whole article in depth but first impession is that vince knew hi s–t and did not get caught up in the hype of artificial encancement drugs and promotion of new fad training techniques, as always thanks for helping me become a better version of myself.
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September 7, 2010
5:55 pm
Vince still stands head and shoulders above the rest. He has been a huge inspiration to me as an over 40 BodyBuilder. His ideas on nutrition are ringing true every day. Many of the younger guys in the gym don’t even know who Vince is – that is a pity. But I guarantee they will in time, his wisdom is coming back into style!
GW
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September 7, 2010
6:22 pm
Great article Elliott this goes totally against wat mainstream media and people say what you can and should do. And I love that, I would love to read part 2 of the article and I am definetly going to look into Vince’s methods in the future. Thanks
Mike O’Connell
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September 7, 2010
6:32 pm
Wow this is some great stuff! I started Bodybuilding a couple of years ago. My trainer has me eating 12 egg whites in the morning with a cup of oatmeal. Mid morning I have a MRP Packet. Lunch I have 1 chicken breast and Package of rice. Mid afternoon I have another MRP Packet. Dinner I have same as my lunch. Before bed I have 10 more egg whites. Supplements I’ve been taking Lukic and Gakic, multi-vitamin. This article has made me rethink my nutrition.
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September 7, 2010
7:01 pm
I really liked part 1 and am looking forward to reading part 2. I followed a lot of Vince Gironda’s articles when I read Musclemag as a teenager. I vaguely recall the info on not doing situps and leg raises; but I seem to have forgotten his advice on acquiring a smaller waistline. Could you please remind me? Thanks.
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September 7, 2010
7:14 pm
Crap, stoopid tab key.
Thanks for posting. Vince’s ideas about diet and nutrition are awesome. I love your respect for your elders and especially Vince. Experience is a powerful voice and should be heeded. All too often we fall for the biased voice of “research” and never pay attention to what we know to be true.
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September 7, 2010
7:19 pm
Great article, Elliot and Mike! I have a couple comments I wanted to throw out there. I am a medical doctor, went to school in the nineties at a highly regarded med school, and I can tell you for a fact that we got practically zero training in nutrition. There is a little doctor-bashing going on in the article and comments, but honestly, doctors don’t get this type of education in their training. People who basically put all their trust in a professional because they happen to be an M.D. are doing themselves a huge disservice. “Research” can be flawed, biased, and inaccurate. Whenever someone starts with “studies show…”, be extremely skeptical. It may be good information, it may not. The medical profession is very good at certain things, but piss-poor at many others. You must realize this. I argue with my colleagues all the time about these subjects. I advise my patients to do a lot of the things that Vince advocated many years ago. I truly believe mass consumption of carbs is an American evil, and goes a long way to explaining why our country is so sick and obese, with all the disease that goes with that. I don’t feed my kids like that, and wouldn’t have anyone eat that way if I could. Eat foods with one ingredient. Drink water. Exercise for short periods, but intensely. And rest. That’s all you need.
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leanhybr Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Thanks James, hopefully I can find an MD like you in my area soon. Thanks for the feedback and good point. Mike
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September 7, 2010
7:21 pm
awesome article, everything in it was just awesome!!! Where can one get more articles or books by him so that I can learn how to be a bodybuilder the correct way and pass on his knowledge and lessons to others – also if he has or if you have a plan of the right foods to eat and the right supplements to take I would definitely be interested in getting anything you have to offer – keep up the great work, you’re making a change in my life for sure!
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September 7, 2010
7:40 pm
Great article I’m curious though how much liver tablets should be taken, I read an article in the past that u need to be careful of taking too many cause it can do a lot of harm
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September 7, 2010
8:23 pm
Absolutely fantastic stuff can’t wait for part 2. Did not know that fats were so important to your diet I never neglected them but now I will make sure they are the supporting star to protein.
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September 7, 2010
9:08 pm
One of the most informative articles on bodybuilding and nutrition that I have read in a long time. Cannot wait to see what you have in store for part 2. Thank you for all of the great information.
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September 7, 2010
9:27 pm
This stuff is so cool! Being new to personal training, this info is so counter to mainstream nutritional understanding, please keep putting it out there!
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September 7, 2010
10:03 pm
This is an awesome article. I’m only 20 and i always believe when you love something thats been around for a while, you should ALWAYS learn the history (where it came from and the pioneers and icons who contributed to it along the culture along the way). I cant wait for part 2
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September 7, 2010
11:10 pm
the wild physique is out of print and has been for some time, but you should be able to get a copy from amazon.
i am a big fan on vinces and always have been, ive got this article in hard print somewhere and still sat long enough to re read it.
ive been trying to sell people on eggs, whole eggs for years but no one wants to buy and yet almost everyone i know wants to poison themselves with cereal first thing in the morning and worse they like to coat their sugar with more sugar.
i’ll stop now because i’m about to start ranting.
thanks elliot for reintroducing one of the great masters
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Dennis Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
This is a great story. i look forward to reading the second part. Vince’s advice sounds like it is appropriate for anyone who wants to improve his physique.
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September 8, 2010
12:29 am
Great article. I truly believe that when we stop listening to our elders, we stop learning. Vince was way ahead of his time, not behind them. The more Vince the better.
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September 8, 2010
1:14 am
Simply put…..Brilliant! This is great stuff and I can’t wait for part 2!
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September 8, 2010
1:22 am
A long time ago I theorized that since eggs contain all the nutrients a chick needs, they probably contain a lot of nutrients we need. Likewise seeds contain all a new plant needs to get started, so they probably contain many things we need.
A bit of skepticism. This article said that Hippocrates said “Natural food can heal disease.” Was they such a thing as non-natural food in Hippocrates’ time?
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September 8, 2010
2:03 am
Man, what an enormous amount of info! It’s so much stuff that I never heard of before! Hopefully in part 2 you can elaborate on the training aspects, Ireally wanna findout more about this! Thanks for the very helpful info!
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September 8, 2010
2:43 am
I am totally fascinated by the training methods and especially the nutrition information of Vince Gironda. Really great for you to acknowledge his ways.
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September 8, 2010
3:43 am
Great story..would love to hear more….
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September 8, 2010
4:19 am
It is very nice to hear about good creations and good creators
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September 8, 2010
4:38 am
Really interesting article. I’ve been looking into an increasingly natural diet and this just serves to spur me on. Something I’d love to get out of Part 2 is a reading list of books that really delve into his nutritional and training methods.
Anyone know of any trainers in the Los Angeles area that are students of Vince’s teachings?
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September 8, 2010
6:39 am
Back to basics, “organic” foods, wisdom from experience. I’m 59 and these things have been ignored for DECADES! Learn from the past-different is NOT always progress! Better living through CHEMISTRY?? B.S. ! Bring on Part 2!
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September 8, 2010
8:31 am
Amazing story.Looking forward to the 2nd. part of your story.
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September 8, 2010
9:29 am
This is amazing article about amazing Man. I want to see part II very much. Thanks!!!
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September 8, 2010
10:54 am
great rules to live by!
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September 8, 2010
12:05 pm
Not only was I a fan of Vince since the early 80′s but Ive talked to Ron Kosloff on the phone several times. Incredible knowledge from both men. Vince was a trailblazer who was way ahead of his time. He ran his gym like a tyrant, no bench presses, no traditional squats, no music, barefeet only on the calf raise, and now I read no situps or leg raises. I highly reccomend a consult with Ron, he is a world of information about bodybuilding and health.
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September 8, 2010
12:30 pm
GREAT stuff! Always had much respect for and have always been drawn to The Iron Guru’s work.
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September 8, 2010
1:00 pm
great article! Information that everbody needs to know! Love the history looking forward to part 2…Thank You
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September 8, 2010
4:50 pm
The problem why we cant eat like the Masai and Indians is that the meats and all the other stuff we eat are jacked with a whole bunch of growth hormones that accelerate the growth of our food. All these things have a negative effect and therefore we dont live as long and prone to all sorts of injuries and sicknesses. Food back then was all natural and organic. This is a great article and I certainly enjoyed the nutritional information it contained. Looking forward to Pt. 2
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September 8, 2010
6:41 pm
vince geronda is the man never heard of him till now but if only half of what you say is true i like him ..i am no bodybuilder or weightlifter i just use weights to stay healthy i obviously try to do that in the correct way which is why i listen to you and NOT maxi muscle mags who would have me buying all there products to the detriment of myself i absolutly have to agree with what you wrote the nutrition was bang on dr’s are all about the prescrition and todays diets are a money making scam where in our health suffers bring on the second part ..i am truly sorry that the older generations in the us and the uk are treated the way they are its an absolute crime with there lifetime of experiences they can surely only be a benefit to society not a hinderance
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September 8, 2010
10:01 pm
I see nothing about fiber in any of this. Hippocrates talks about a healthy colon and you need fiber for that, do you not? There are other side effects to the “Atkins” style diet (Dr. Atkins died recently at what I would call a young age by the way) such as increased body odor and bad breath. What do you think of these issues?
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September 9, 2010
12:17 am
This is amazing stuff. it is crazy to think that this guy was so far ahead of his time. I like his no nosense type of training too. I like how he tells it like it is, no sugar coating
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September 9, 2010
3:19 am
I can’t wait for part 2
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September 9, 2010
3:53 am
very nice..i’m from Indian descent and we have had a high carb diet for as long back as you can go..where can i learn more about this stuff..the science behind protein and carbs
I like it how he is so old in the first picture and he probably still had a better body than anyone has right now
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September 9, 2010
9:39 am
Guys, I don’t know about you but even though it was WAY expensive, I didn’t care. Went to amazon and bought a used “Unleash the Wild Physique” copy… I wanna know all about this
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September 9, 2010
11:32 am
A number of years ago a rival organisation to the IFBB was set up and they used these dietry principles and did not want drug use.Unfortunately, peoples appetites for freak shows meant that they didnt last long. All the strategies that Vince believed in are all supported by scientific evidence. Read the Atkins book, there are striking similarieties to the methods.(Please read it and dont just rubbish the comment, we are meant to be students, always learning! Knowledge comes from reveiwing all of the salient facts and reaching conclusions). An example I use about the high protein diet is: Who are a couple of the most famous men in the world who have followed High Protein diets for over 30 years(for 1) and nearer 40 for the other? Sylvester Stallone( who was trained by Lee Hainey in the early days) and Arnold. If the high protein diet was so bad for you, would these guys have made it this far and for so long(supplements they take aside…)?
So even now there are good examples around of some of Vinces ideas. I like the difference he makes between Body Builders and Weight Lifters. You could add more categories now, but it is good to remenber that the nutrition theories will work for different disciplines within the training modalities. Protein and (good)fat in the diet creates an androgenic and anabolic state, what everyone that trains seriously is looking for!
Train, Learn, Think!!
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leanhybr Reply:
September 9th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Like the article conveys I think Vince would roll over in his grave if he saw the state the sport is in today. – Mike
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September 9, 2010
4:30 pm
he is still the greatest. sensationell symetrie body. nature power strong …
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September 10, 2010
4:50 pm
I have studied Vinces method for many years, actually since the 70′s. I have always agreed and admired him. Keep spreading the truth about bodybuilding, Vince knew what he was talking about.
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September 11, 2010
6:03 pm
I just have a question about the protein powders and is there actually a way of using a protein drink? I mix my whey protein isolate with water because i was told it would help absorb quicker than if i mixed it with milk and I consumed that within 30-45mins after finishing my workout. After reading what you have said about the protein not getting absorbed without a fat source, I’m wondering what the best post-workout nutrition is?
Thanks,
Gazz
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September 12, 2010
4:09 am
The is a great article and Vince and the bodies he built were amazing and how ancient statues looked. Ron Kosloff is a passionate person who loves to speak with those who are passionate about what Vince taught.
I have the Gironda File #1 and the Ultimate definition diet.
I wish Vince would have shot some videos
Here is a link. FYI: Ron Kosloff is the only one authorized by Vince to sell his courses. Ron is a great guy and you may even have an opportunity to speak to him. Talking to him is like having a direct link to the past. Thanks for posting this GREAT article
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leanhybr Reply:
September 14th, 2010 at 5:21 am
Good point. Ron is definitely one of the best resources available when it comes to Vince. Alan Palmieri also wrote a 300 page book on Vince called Legend and Myth. It’s not for sale, but you can get it for the next few days over at this page: http://www.madscientistmuscles.com
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September 12, 2010
1:20 pm
Tremendous stuff, really! Have been training for two years and really man, feel so confused with what the gym trainer, internet and books tell you. This article puts a lot of things straight upfront. Well written. and am more curious to know about Vince.
Thanks
Gurpreet
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September 13, 2010
2:30 am
The article was very informative and insightful. I would definitely like to read part two
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September 14, 2010
4:31 am
I don’t know, every trainer has his own method, i can’t discredit vince or any other trainer. I think the best thing a man should do is is apply all the principles and apply it to their own fitness regimen. Because people get results using all kinds of training methods.
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September 15, 2010
8:35 am
Been a follower of Vince since the 80′s and train all my clients in Dubai using Vince’s teachings and techniques for both male and female. Great to see people are starting to realise how Vince was a 1000 years ahead of his time (As stated by Ron Kosloff). Always emphasize Vinces teachings on ‘Overtonis’ – Overtraining and the fact that he always said perfecting the body is 80% nutrition and 20% training along with many of Vinces other words of wisdom.
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October 10, 2010
6:11 pm
I had no idea the impact Vince had on Arnold. Incredible!! Thanks for the great post; time for Part 2!
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October 22, 2010
11:45 am
I still think Elliot Hulse is the greatest trainer ever!! But Vince is certainly solid in the #2 position!
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June 23, 2011
4:35 pm
great article.
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June 29, 2011
4:15 pm
Awesome. Please email Part II. Thanks!!!
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June 29, 2011
5:09 pm
I remember reading Vince articules in the 80′s and they seem different from other magazines articules at the time. Certantly Vince was ahead of his time.
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June 29, 2011
5:15 pm
Great Article.
I recently qualified as a personal trainer and the ration for nutriotion that was preached was 50-30-20 (50 being carbs, 30 being protein, and 20 being fats) I stuck to this ration for a while, yes i had increased energy, but i also felt bloated from it so I started reading up on nutrition and came across artciles all supporting Vince’s philosphies … so I changed how i ate… I still eat carbs but i have them down to 15% of my diet … I feel better, more energy, more stamina and not bloated at all ..
Also love the 10 rules from Hipocrates… definitely something to live by ..
bring on Article 2
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John Reply:
June 29th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
ohh for Vince Gironda and a list of his books follow the blow link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Gironda
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June 29, 2011
5:25 pm
I have been saying for years medical doctors are all quakes who only in it for the money. Americans dont eat anything that is not in a package and says FDA approved. The FDA is just a corrupt as the medical field.
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June 29, 2011
5:36 pm
Great stuff. What a great man to have known.
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June 29, 2011
5:48 pm
Awesome Article, Please Mr Hulse KEEP THEM COMING. Manuel
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June 29, 2011
5:58 pm
Amazing info!! As a cert. nutritionist this info is invaluable. Can’t wait to apply these ideas!!
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June 29, 2011
6:00 pm
I have mr. Gironda’s book max muscle min fat, never took time to read it unfortunately.
Thanks for this article, I would love to read part 2, and learn about him
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June 29, 2011
6:02 pm
Great article.I can’t wait to read the 2nd part,his workout routines and diet plan.
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June 29, 2011
6:43 pm
mmm eggs!!
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June 29, 2011
6:48 pm
This is great stuff. So many lies and misconceptions out there in the health and fitness industry. I’m so thankful you are getting this information out. I can hardly wait for part 2.
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June 29, 2011
6:50 pm
wow this is fascinating! I can’t wait to get home from work and search peer-reviewed journals about this too. I’m curious to see what I’ll find. Can’t wait for part 2.
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June 29, 2011
7:05 pm
I really liked this article. I have read a lot of the articles vince wrote in the ’6-s and ’70s. I was to youga na dtoo far away to go train with him then, But I feel I missed a great opportunity for not trying later when I was old enough to go to California on my own and find his gym and learn from a true master. Thank you for this article.
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June 29, 2011
9:32 pm
Vince was a man way ahead of his time, it is sad and unfortunate people dont heed his advice more readily. I always tell my clients check your ego at the door, we are here to build muscle not drag a truck behind us. In all honesty even at 15 years of age I knew that most carbs made me sick, and I avoided them, I was at 7% body fat. Now in recent times I ignored that and ate breads and cakes etc, regardless, now I have an autoimmune disorder. I am back onto eating mostly meat, fish and eggs with mushrooms and onions, and I am satisfied and I should start losing fat again very soon!! I like my cheese and cream and butter too, I had ONE fabulous dr who looked at me one day and said, you need to be de-alkalised. He knew what to do!! He mentioned Vince back then and I never understood, now I do! I no longer have cravings for sugars, ice cream, candy chips and cakes since I am eating my NY strip with my sauce of a little butter, cream and grilled mushrooms and onions, I am looking forward to being healthy again!!
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June 29, 2011
10:28 pm
A great read, look forward to read part 2..Got to love the eggs.
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June 29, 2011
10:43 pm
Does anyone have links or references to the ten rules of hippocrates. After some research I have only been able to find these rules cited on various body building and nutrition websites and in no historical records. When reading the “Hippocratic Oath” their is some resemblance to these rules, but if that passage is the origin of the words then a majority, if not all were taken completely out of context and don’t represent the actual meaning. Such as “throwing away drugs.” The actual meaning of this is not euthanize a patient who is ill, not that prescription drugs aren’t safe. I was just curious about that one thing because I am to interested in things like that. Nonetheless it was a very interesting and informative article, and I look forward to Part 2.
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June 29, 2011
11:08 pm
This article has changed my entire outlook on health and life and i think that I am going to look back on this moment as a turning point for me. I was completely ready to hear all of this and evrn though before today I had nevrt heard of Vince Gironda I am very sad to hear that he died because I now desperately want to train at his gym. I am going to read all of the books cited in this article.
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June 30, 2011
12:32 am
I love hearing the truth. It’s also fantastic when I can direct clients to documents that substantiate what I’ve been telling them. Keep the truth alive! Hopefully we might get some Doctors to read this article and actually think about the Hippocratic oath they have taken. It should be more than a piece of paper on their wall. Thank you so much.
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June 30, 2011
12:47 am
Good article about a bodybuilding legend.
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June 30, 2011
1:41 am
I take a Snickers bar, pancakes, ice cream, cookies, a pie, some cakes, candies, pretzels, doughnuts, pizzas, slurpies, Pop Tarts, Sugar Frosted Flakes, bologna sandwiches, bagels and pasta before my workout, then usually skip the workout and move to my post workout snack of peanut butter on poptarts.
If I’ve skipped a particularly hard training session I might reward myself with six stubbies.
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June 30, 2011
2:25 am
Hello Ron,
I’ve always been a great fan and follower of the “iron guru” Vince. I used to buy all sorts of bodybuilding mags that feautures his articles. I still have his book: “Unleashing The Wild Physique” feauturing Mohammed Makkawy of Egypt. I won 8 Mr. Asia titles and 3 world championships following Vince’s methodology. I’m now 55, and still eat the way I’ve learned from Vince. I never got the opportunity to meet him in person coz all my life had been spent in Asia. I now have a daughter who resides in Seattle – Washington, and I hope to visit them onew day. Here in China, most of clients are benefitting from the Guru’s style of training. The Chinese are more prone to the lean and muscular physique (aka Bruce Lee). Eating and training Vince’s way has kept my six-pack still intact afdter all these years. My last competition was 2003 when I won the Masters World Event in Germany. Of course our bodies are limited to our genetic potential – but how we eat and train are …as the Guru always reiterated determines how well those potentials are maximized…or destroyed in a grotesque manner. Vince shall always be im my heart. Please countme in if ever there is a Vince Fan Club organized. He is authentic…unlike the pseudo-trainer of champions who is more of a HYPOCRITE than anything else.
Take Care!
Sammy
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June 30, 2011
2:38 am
hey GREAT article, a breath of fresh air in a polluted industry. just wondering like most others, where can i pick up more material about how Vince trained and nutrition, etc.. like you wrote in the article….. “regarding liver tablets, glandulars and amino acids to keep your endocrine system strong and your immune level high.” now the question would be which companies to purchase these products from because theres plenty of junk being sold out there as you know, and getting the wrong product wont do me any good….thanx again and any more info on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
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June 30, 2011
3:21 am
What did Vince use for ab exercises.
And thanks for the great article and info.
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June 30, 2011
5:15 am
What a great read. Now I’m really looking forward to Part 2.
I can very much appreciate people like Vince who know what they’re talking about and stick to it no matter how crazy the mainstream in society may think their ideas are.
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June 30, 2011
6:45 am
What more can I say? The man, for how little I know about him appears to be legendry and rightly so.
This small read alone has made me realise I am not a body builder at all no matter how much I strive to be, I am a weight lifter and thats not what I want to be. I want a great body!
Bring on the next article……. and the next after that………….. and the next after that
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June 30, 2011
6:46 am
There’s many things to find interesting about Vince! His approach on diet is very interesting and it’s different than any other bodybuilder. It was also interesting how he knew how to isolate any muscle group while building a great physique. It was most interesting to see the ignorance in people of not wanting to hear Vince advice.
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June 30, 2011
3:05 pm
fantastic read. So much info out there, and so little clarity, the above is refreshing.
pls hook a brother up with part II!
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June 30, 2011
3:08 pm
great read, I miss the old days of physique’s that looked good and not over the top….
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June 30, 2011
5:18 pm
One of the most amazing and informative body building articles I have read. I can’t wait to read part 2!
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June 30, 2011
6:13 pm
This is a great story. How would I read more about this?
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June 30, 2011
7:48 pm
Guys part 2 to this article is up here!
http://leanhybridmuscle.com/access/greatest-trainer-lived-part-2.html
Mike
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June 30, 2011
7:49 pm
Oh and this is the trusted source of a lot of the products Vince recommended.
http://nspresearchnutrition.com/
Mike
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June 30, 2011
8:33 pm
the truth make you free i never accept the liver pill that was stupid now im taking it big change
thanks a lot
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July 1, 2011
7:07 am
definitely keen for a part two, coincides with a lot of the principles in the leangains diet.
and i thought that I was in the know when it came to health and nutrition, boy i still got a lot to learn…….
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July 3, 2011
12:01 am
Love this info. I always say I was born 10-20 years too late (mainly my musical taste), but to be in your prime when Vince was still around would have been awesome. I’m so glad that there is others around continuing his simple but effective ideas. Thanks again guys.
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July 4, 2011
2:11 pm
Vince’s principles are what one would expect from someone who is wise. The rest of the world thinks their opinions are facts. The wise man makes the facts determines his opinions. Then it is a matter of developing the best way to apply the facts to get results. It looks like Vince did that. Of course it won’t be popular, since that doesn’t make anyone money and since it doesn’t change with time to appeal to the world’s desire to be entertained with something new. Correct principles stay the same. That’s why they are principles.
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July 7, 2011
11:29 pm
I think it is most interesting that Vince Gironda was so ahead of his time. To really understand the human body and nutrition at that early of an age is crazy. Thats like someone of the 20th century knowing all about time travel even though it hasnt been completely discovered.
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July 15, 2011
1:06 pm
Vince Gironda is so amazing, a mind opener and this article is worth the read. I`d just like to point out one thing that had been mentioned here, i`ts the “sit ups and leg raisies” have nothing to do to eliminate fats around the middle. So what would he meant or what are really the best exercise for the abs? Is it all about nutrition?
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July 22, 2011
8:56 pm
I’m changing today!!!
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